What printer do you use for Photo Quality??

"KatWoman" <spamfree DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>prints
> in all type of quality
> giclee...

I still don't have a handle on giclee. Going back a century or so when I was
in college, it meant an accurate reproduction of an original piece of art,
i.e. a painting, done with the highest quality technology of the day. Now a
photograph, whether it be from a negative or a digital file, does not have
an original from which to reproduce copies; every photograph or print, is a
copy, so I'm wondering how to define "giclee" (in my own drug-addled brain)
to apply it to printing photographs without totally destroying its original
meaning.
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>>prints
>> in all type of quality
>> giclee...
>
> I still don't have a handle on giclee. Going back a century or so when I
> was in college, it meant an accurate reproduction of an original piece of
> art, i.e. a painting, done with the highest quality technology of the day.
> Now a photograph, whether it be from a negative or a digital file, does
> not have an original from which to reproduce copies; every photograph or
> print, is a copy, so I'm wondering how to define "giclee" (in my own
> drug-addled brain) to apply it to printing photographs without totally
> destroying its original meaning.



I forgot to say the newer printer is WAY faster
and so quiet!!!!


giclee now I think refers to a quality hand matched print on real nice paper
you can get them painted over with a clear medium that simulates paint

have not tried any so I am not the one to answer it
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On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:51:01 -0500, "KatWoman" <spamfree DeleteThis @hotmail.com>
wrote:

>for OK not perfect or exact colors family snaps proof prints
>KINKO, Publix, Eckred's and Wagtreens is fine
>and as RON pointed out>>>>>way cheaper
>
There are times when cheap and quick is good. I just made up a photo
album of 4" x 6" prints of 64 pictures taken in 2007 of my family,
including a 3 and a 4-year old grandson, and sent them to my brother
in Europe.

I ordered them online through Walgreens (Snapfish), picked them up the
next morning, and paid 10 cents a print on a special. $6.40 for the
pix, $4.95 for the album, and $13.60 postage.


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Not4wood wrote:
> My Canon Photo Quality printer bit the dust and I'm in the market for
> another Photo Quality Printer. I've seen the HP, Epson and Canon current
> line and I'm very disappointed on whats available. They all look cheaply
> made out of thin plastic, some have only 2 ink cartridges and they all
> advertise very fast printing. I even saw the 13X23 large printers by HP and
> the cheaper of the two I believe the 9800 only had two ink cartridges.
>
> What do you use for Quality prints?? My old Canon IP6700D had great quality
> and 6 ink cartridges. I would hopefully like to get either the same high
> quality or better. The very high quality HP 13X23 with the six or eight
> cartridges is way out of my price range.
>
> I don't care if its not the fastest on the block, I want very high quality
> at least 8.5X11 and able to take the higher quality papers as well. Be able
> to except the ICC profiles from other manufacturers like Ilford and others.
> I know that Elements and CS2 and 3 are the ones who actually are working
> with the ICC Profiles but if Ilford doesn't make the profile for the printer
> then why bother??
>
> What do you use, are you happy with it and if you were in the market for
> another printer what would you get for photo quality??

My HP B9180 does a very good job both with colour and B&W. A3+ is really
nice and there are lots of papers to choose from. ICC profiles are
loadable.
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Yeah, but the HP9180 is very expensive. This is the one they recommend over
at the Nikonian site.


KatWoman and anybody else that has the Epson 1400,

A have a few questions to try and help me make my decision:
Have you used it with the ICC profile downloads?
Have you used the heavier art papers, and or does it take the heavier
papers?
In your manual, what is the heaviest paper that it can take? I couldn't
find this in the specs on the net.

I have a box of Ilford Galerie Smooth Pearl sitting here and its rated as
290gsm, can your printer do this slightly heavier paper and also do you have
a separate paper feed for the heavier papers? I've read on the net that
some of the heavier papers can be fed straight thru the back for a straight
feed. It doesn't include the heavier art papers on the specs on the net?

Thanks for everything. I am now trying to make my decision on whether to
get the 1400 or the 1800. I am leaning toward the 1400 since its less and I
really wont be making that many B&W but it looks like the 1400 can cover
that aspect anyway. What I think is strange is the R800 looks and has
almost the exact same features as the 1800 but just not larger results then
8.5X11. The 800 and 1800 are the same price so why would anybody buy the
800??

If I were to go for the R800, for the exact same price I would get the
larger model especially since they use the same high quality inks.

Thank you everybody for all your information.

Mark G
Not4wood




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> Not4wood wrote:
>> My Canon Photo Quality printer bit the dust and I'm in the market for
>> another Photo Quality Printer. I've seen the HP, Epson and Canon current
>> line and I'm very disappointed on whats available. They all look cheaply
>> made out of thin plastic, some have only 2 ink cartridges and they all
>> advertise very fast printing. I even saw the 13X23 large printers by HP
>> and the cheaper of the two I believe the 9800 only had two ink
>> cartridges.
>>
>> What do you use for Quality prints?? My old Canon IP6700D had great
>> quality and 6 ink cartridges. I would hopefully like to get either the
>> same high quality or better. The very high quality HP 13X23 with the six
>> or eight cartridges is way out of my price range.
>>
>> I don't care if its not the fastest on the block, I want very high
>> quality at least 8.5X11 and able to take the higher quality papers as
>> well. Be able to except the ICC profiles from other manufacturers like
>> Ilford and others. I know that Elements and CS2 and 3 are the ones who
>> actually are working with the ICC Profiles but if Ilford doesn't make the
>> profile for the printer then why bother??
>>
>> What do you use, are you happy with it and if you were in the market for
>> another printer what would you get for photo quality??
>
> My HP B9180 does a very good job both with colour and B&W. A3+ is really
> nice and there are lots of papers to choose from. ICC profiles are
> loadable.
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Hi,

I have a Epson 1400 and also use the Iford papers (with the profiles from
ilford i get good results, although still a tad darker then on screen but
that has allways been the case with Epson printers and profiles i think).

The thicker Smooth Pearl paper and other 290gsm papers feed using the normal
feeder without issues.

Have fun,
Guido

"Not4wood" <no_mgottes.RemoveThis@spam_verizon.net> schreef in bericht
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> I have a box of Ilford Galerie Smooth Pearl sitting here and its rated as
> 290gsm, can your printer do this slightly heavier paper and also do you
> have a separate paper feed for the heavier papers? I've read on the net
> that some of the heavier papers can be fed straight thru the back for a
> straight feed. It doesn't include the heavier art papers on the specs on
> the net?
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"Guido Zijlstra" <mail.RemoveThis@guido-zijlstra.net> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> I have a Epson 1400 and also use the Iford papers (with the profiles from
> ilford i get good results, although still a tad darker then on screen but
> that has allways been the case with Epson printers and profiles i think).
>
> The thicker Smooth Pearl paper and other 290gsm papers feed using the
> normal feeder without issues.
>
> Have fun,
> Guido

Guido, what color temp for your monitor calibration? Below is from the
readme 1st.pdf that comes with the Ilford profiles. If you are view at
temps other than 5000K, then you should see some noticeable some variation.

FOR OPTIMUM PRINTING RESULTS CONDITIONS AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO THOSE USED
TO CREATE THE PROFILES ARE NEEDED


. Room temperature 20-25ºC (68-77ºF)

.. Room humidity 40-60% RH


.. Viewing light 5000K (CRI 93 or better)


.. Monitor calibrated and profiled


.. Use printer manufacturers' inks
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Guido,

I first saw Boskey's post, but I was going to ask you if your Monitor is
Calibrated? Bosky is correct, but I think thats taking it a wee bit much
about humidity and temperature while your at your puter, but this is exactly
what the manufacturers' recommend for optimal quality.

Thanks, Guido thats the first time I had heard about the 1400 using the
higher quality papers. This makes me one notch more to the 1400 then the
more expensive 1800. Also, since the R800 is so highly rated and takes the
same higher quality inks as the 1800 besides paper size what else is the
difference between the two printers? There the same price, so why would
anybody buy the 800 if for the same price and quality you can pick up the
1800 13x19 printer instead of the R800 8.5x11 printer??? The 1800 printer
is able to take rolls of paper and so does the 800!!! Doesn't make sense to
me...

Not4wood


"Guido Zijlstra" <mail.RemoveThis@guido-zijlstra.net> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> I have a Epson 1400 and also use the Iford papers (with the profiles from
> ilford i get good results, although still a tad darker then on screen but
> that has allways been the case with Epson printers and profiles i think).
>
> The thicker Smooth Pearl paper and other 290gsm papers feed using the
> normal feeder without issues.
>
> Have fun,
> Guido
>
> "Not4wood" <no_mgottes.RemoveThis@spam_verizon.net> schreef in bericht
> news:bFJgj.7708$%A6.6108@trndny08...
>> I have a box of Ilford Galerie Smooth Pearl sitting here and its rated as
>> 290gsm, can your printer do this slightly heavier paper and also do you
>> have a separate paper feed for the heavier papers? I've read on the net
>> that some of the heavier papers can be fed straight thru the back for a
>> straight feed. It doesn't include the heavier art papers on the specs on
>> the net?
>
>
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I have calibrated my screen with the Colorvision Spyder2, 6500K, 2.2 gamma.
I will give the suggestion below a try, although it makes the screen rather
yellow.
It might just be down to the fact that the monitor is transmitting light and
the paper reflecting it as the colors are fine, just a tad darker.
I usually fix it with a 'print adjustment' layer on the image to crank it up
just before printing.

Tnx.
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> "Guido Zijlstra" <mail RemoveThis @guido-zijlstra.net> wrote in message
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>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a Epson 1400 and also use the Iford papers (with the profiles from
>> ilford i get good results, although still a tad darker then on screen but
>> that has allways been the case with Epson printers and profiles i think).
>>
>> The thicker Smooth Pearl paper and other 290gsm papers feed using the
>> normal feeder without issues.
>>
>> Have fun,
>> Guido
>
> Guido, what color temp for your monitor calibration? Below is from the
> readme 1st.pdf that comes with the Ilford profiles. If you are view at
> temps other than 5000K, then you should see some noticeable some
> variation.
>
> FOR OPTIMUM PRINTING RESULTS CONDITIONS AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO THOSE USED
> TO CREATE THE PROFILES ARE NEEDED
>
>
> . Room temperature 20-25ºC (68-77ºF)
>
> . Room humidity 40-60% RH
>
>
> . Viewing light 5000K (CRI 93 or better)
>
>
> . Monitor calibrated and profiled
>
>
> . Use printer manufacturers' inks
>
>
>
>
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Yup, monitor is calibrated using the Spyder2.

I already own this 1400 for a while, but if i would have to choose now
between a 1400 and a 1800 i would go towards the 1800, as that has the new
ultra-something pigment inks.
The 1400 uses dye-inks. The 1800 (and also the 2400) with the pigment inks
are more suited if you want to use high-end 'fine art' papers because of the
pigment ink.
And also because of the rolls (1400 does not do rolls). Also, looking at the
other high-end paper manufacturers you are more likely to find R1800
profiles, the 1400 is not seen as a 'professional' printer.

And indeed, for the price difference, i would not go for the R800 if i was
trying to make nice photo prints for display etc. Unfortunately the price
difference between a R1800 and R2400 is just a bit to much to justify a
R2400, but if i had to replace my 1400 i would make the choise between the
1800 and the 2400.

Tnx.

"Not4wood" <no_mgottes.TakeThisOut@spam_verizon.net> schreef in bericht
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> Guido,
>
> I first saw Boskey's post, but I was going to ask you if your Monitor is
> Calibrated? Bosky is correct, but I think thats taking it a wee bit much
> about humidity and temperature while your at your puter, but this is
> exactly what the manufacturers' recommend for optimal quality.
>
> Thanks, Guido thats the first time I had heard about the 1400 using the
> higher quality papers. This makes me one notch more to the 1400 then the
> more expensive 1800. Also, since the R800 is so highly rated and takes
> the same higher quality inks as the 1800 besides paper size what else is
> the difference between the two printers? There the same price, so why
> would anybody buy the 800 if for the same price and quality you can pick
> up the 1800 13x19 printer instead of the R800 8.5x11 printer??? The 1800
> printer is able to take rolls of paper and so does the 800!!! Doesn't
> make sense to me...
>
> Not4wood
>
>
> "Guido Zijlstra" <mail.TakeThisOut@guido-zijlstra.net> wrote in message
> news:8a9ce$478391ec$d55df828$12103@news.chello.nl...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a Epson 1400 and also use the Iford papers (with the profiles from
>> ilford i get good results, although still a tad darker then on screen but
>> that has allways been the case with Epson printers and profiles i think).
>>
>> The thicker Smooth Pearl paper and other 290gsm papers feed using the
>> normal feeder without issues.
>>
>> Have fun,
>> Guido
>>
>> "Not4wood" <no_mgottes.TakeThisOut@spam_verizon.net> schreef in bericht
>> news:bFJgj.7708$%A6.6108@trndny08...
>>> I have a box of Ilford Galerie Smooth Pearl sitting here and its rated
>>> as 290gsm, can your printer do this slightly heavier paper and also do
>>> you have a separate paper feed for the heavier papers? I've read on
>>> the net that some of the heavier papers can be fed straight thru the
>>> back for a straight feed. It doesn't include the heavier art papers on
>>> the specs on the net?
>>
>>
>
>
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"Guido Zijlstra" <mail RemoveThis @guido-zijlstra.net> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> I have a Epson 1400 and also use the Iford papers (with the profiles from
> ilford i get good results, although still a tad darker then on screen but
> that has allways been the case with Epson printers and profiles i think).
>


AFAIK LCD screens show about 1 f stop brighter than the print. Just before
printing I add an exposure layer and make the adjustment there.

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Peter
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