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On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:38:18 -0500, Joe <joe.TakeThisOut@dontspam.com> wrote:

>JF <JF.TakeThisOut@nospammers.com> wrote:
>
>
> I agree with you on this one! and this is one of the reasons for around 3
>decades modeming (and I even read Usenet years before Internet was born) and
>I hardly need to ask any question.

Yes. But seems that this is not the right answer anyone wanna read or
hear about. Anycase, I'll lurk into my old archives to redeem this FAQ
seen several months ago (perhaps years!). I'm sure is a project
(cancelled?) that worth the effort to maintain updated info available,
to newcomers and old ones.

>
> Because I can find more than what I need by reading old answers, and they
>are often more than I need.

Sure. I read several groups and don't post so much. Answers come from
proof readings in 99% of cases...

>> Using Google is not a genetic known way to find information. Some
>> examples will be nice to newcomers.
>
> Google has always been my friend, and I always Google when I need a friend
>to solve my problem.

Yeah, but is not "the answer" to any question posted in a specific
interest group. If it was, why do we need a group? This is the point.
If some asks about Level correction issues, I don't throw a simple "go
to Google". I will address to specific sites, books, references,
tutorials or answers. IMHO adressing people to Google for all is a
waste of time for group members. Or... perhaps the only subjects to
speak about here are the ultra-high-level one, guru-ones or so? I
don't think so. There is a large amount of themes to talk about
between the simple "How to make a transparent GIF" and "how to correct
a CMYK issue", por example.

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JF
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:37:50 -0700, "CJ" <cje20 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

>Dev wrote:
>
>> Hello to All,
>> I am new to Photoshop. kindly send the addresses of e-books for using
>> PhotoShop
>> thanks in advance
>
>www.google.com

I think this kind of answers is in the same level as the question
made.

Using newsgroups will be nice if all of us remember the newbies a gold
rule: READ THE FAQ before posting.

This groups has a large one, but seems to be lost in the Net
hyperspace. Anybody knows where it is?

Using Google is not a genetic known way to find information. Some
examples will be nice to newcomers.

In the other hand, a "Thanks" response to huge list offered by Billy
is not the kind one could expect. And I don't wanna know if the
Photoshop copy is a PIRATE COPY or a LEGAL COPY. This could be another
huge thread to explore.

Perhaps the matter is not this groups, is all groups issue. People
don't know how to use newsgroups, email, web, or Internet at all.
People thinks the Net has all the answers, despite the individuals
behind it, who really has the answers...

Reading Netiquette will be a good starting point:
http://www.albion.com/netiquette/


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JF wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:37:50 -0700, "CJ" <cje20.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dev wrote:
> >
> >> Hello to All,
> >> I am new to Photoshop. kindly send the addresses of e-books for
> using >> PhotoShop
> >> thanks in advance
> >
> > www.google.com
>
> I think this kind of answers is in the same level as the question
> made.
>

Amazingly astute observation.

I have neither the time nor the inclination to compile a list of URL's
for a person who is either too lazy or unwilling to do even a smidgen
of research on their own.

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Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:16:39 -0000, "CJ" <cje20.DeleteThis@hotmail.com>:

>JF wrote:
>
>> I think this kind of answers is in the same level as the question
>> made.
>>
>
>Amazingly astute observation.

Really?

>I have neither the time nor the inclination to compile a list of URL's
>for a person who is either too lazy or unwilling to do even a smidgen
>of research on their own.

I agree on that, but by the same reason, I prefer no message at all
.... isn't? The Google-is-the-answer replies are too easy to do and too
wastefull for either the lazy person that ask for the
easy-way-info-grabbing and the rest of us. Waste of time for all. As
this reply, of course. But.... this is a free media to expres us! (I
think....)

CS3 is a prefereable Subject, I think... XD

Regards
JF
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On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:54:34 -0500, Joe <joe.RemoveThis@dontspam.com> wrote:

> *If* you just monitor this or any newsgroup for 1-2 months then you will
>see that most questions are same or similar to what others asked
>miniutes/hours/days or weeks/months ago.

Sure, I do that for years, not months or days....

>or even years. So, I always try to GOOGLE for the specific answer, and
>reading Usenet to keep up with what's going on (cuz I don't have time to
>surf the net). And by the time I Googled for some minutes I often learn
>extra information.

Sure you do that, but many people don't know how to use
Google, neither the Net at all. This is not the point. I do Google
searchs every minute I need info. But in a newsgroup I wanna find
answers, no new ways to search.... Too easy to kick out the ball....

>answering the very same questions been asked thousands of times, we can use
>this valuable time to learn something new.

OF COURSE! A FAQ is a must, do you agree?

>- Why do we need this group? to get information/answer of course

Yes. Not for forwarding and be forwarded to another service as
Google. Not in the way have seen. If you forward some to Google, it
seems IMHO that you don't wanna waste your time (no matter, is your
choice) answering a frequently asked question. Ok. I think it will be
more useful to all to point to a FAQ, or be quit at all.

>
>- Where to get answer? whererever we can find better/faster available answer

Oh yes. But you are a rich resources person (me too, IMHO) but
not all the people in this and others groups are.

>- Do we need to repeat the same old questions/answers daily? of course we
>don't but sadly we have the same issue to deal with. Or most same question
>often being asked every few days, and the same thread often last for
>days/week.

Nope. A FAQ is a must. I prefer to redirect people to a FAQ
than Google. Perhaps these people learn some more interesting things,
and perhaps the FAQ must include some guidelines about Google, why
not...

JF

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On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:35:02 -0500, Joe <joe DeleteThis @dontspam.com> wrote:

> I think everyone if not most prople give you the honor to serve who
>refuses to be friend with Ms Google <bg>

No. I use Google everyday, 10 hours at day wired to the Net.
But when I enter here, I don't wanna Google redirections. It's only
that.

>
> And if you can give a better answer than Ms Google can, then my hat is off
>to you <bg>. Me?

Sometimes this is Ok. Using PS from 2.5 PC version has a
value, IMHO. Thus, I'm here to help others, to help myself with new
info, and so on.

>
>- I try to help myself as much as I can, and only ask when I run out of
>source

Correct. This is the right way.

>- And because I know Google has 99-101% of answer waiting for me to learn,
>so I always Google first before asking for help. And it's so sad that I
>always find answer from Google to have the chance to ask and hope to find
>the answer from newsgroup. And Google is my answer and I don't think it's
>wrong to share the goodie to friend, not?

NOOOO! Share Google is not wrong. But answer all the questions
with a "http://www.google.com" line is the fine way to do things in a
newsgroup? THIS IS MY POINT! Google is a great aid, of course!!! I
don't said isn't it. But, despite taht, beware. The mastering of
information research is to find the PEOPLE that has the answers... and
I think newsgroups is a great way to do that.
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Newsgroups for me are a way of learning new things in the areas that I am
interested in.

I don't always have a question to ask, but I still check the postings every
day. Always wanting to learn new things from others too.

Katherine (just my $AUD 1.00's worth (inflation).
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