A Timely reminder....be kind to inarticulate and new users..

"Paul" <noname RemoveThis @noaddy.co.uk> wrote in message
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....
> It might help if you grasped one very salient fact about this and
> other news groups, they are now inhabited mainly by nutters

As one who makes every effort to contribute to this group, being lumped in
with a bunch of nutters is very helpful indeed. Thank you Paul.

Or is this just the biggest troll this month? If so, ya got me fair and
square.
--
Mike Russell - www.curvemeister.com
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"Paul" <noname.RemoveThis@noaddy.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In my honest opinion and I don't think I am in error here
> posting to this newsgroup could be the one action which
> puts your problem into the hands of some very strange people.
> One consequence of this is that you may find yourself the target
> of some unedifying comments. Indeed rather than get a solution
> you may well be subjected to ridicule and abuse. Any suggestion
> or solution offered here should be well considered and further advice
> taken before implementing the changes suggested. The person
> giving the advice may not be doing so out of malice. They may well
> just be stupid. Lets face it you could be taking advice from the usenet
> equivalent of the Village Idiot!!
>
> It might help if you grasped one very salient fact about this and
> other news groups, they are now inhabited mainly by nutters who due
> to care in the community (the failure of) have time on their hands
> voices in their heads and no where to go. Once you have fully
> grasped indeed understood this point you will post any queries
> you have in moderated www groups and avoid this one. There
> are of course other well meaning and well balanced posters but
> sadly they tend to be in the minority.
>
> Web groups tend to be moderated by a group of well balanced, well
> informed and well meaning regulars. Adobe software, graphics and
> photography www groups are well regulated and contain archived
> material well worth visiting. The advice offered is generally done so
> by knowledgable individuals motivated by good intentions. There
> may well be the odd nut but the moderators have a way of dealing
> with the problems which they create. However, you may stand a
> better chance in a moderated www discussion group.
>
> Regarding this newsgroup, my advice would be, be kind to but
> avoid the afflicted because they are so full of torture that the only
> way they can relate to others is to dish out pain. There is one other
> rather interesting observation. You will find that once a nut identifies
> a target some, not all, posters who in the past have behaved rationally
> and with great civility will join in the kicking with great panache. I
> often
> wonder about the pathology of this behaviour. Considered well thought
> out contributions on this phenomena would be very welcome.
>
> What you have above is my honestly held opinions. Whilst there
> are well meaning and well balanced individuals contributing to this
> newsgroup, very few I grant you, others may well not fall into this
> category.
>
> Thank you for your interest.
>
> I hope you find this information useful.

who are you to wave your finger
ya musta been out your head
I hold fast in muddy waters
you could've raised the dead
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"Paul" please be aware that many programs provide for a method of
blocking incoming senders.
If or when you received nasties block as many as you can find. Then
you will discover that the rest, the majority of this newsgroup
contains many devoted and helpful people. Post anything you need to
post here.

"Paul" <noname.DeleteThis@noaddy.co.uk> wrote in message
news:6ikam3hdav2t8ddoluctmkm11vj8kdnln6@4ax.com...
> In my honest opinion and I don't think I am in error here
> posting to this newsgroup could be the one action which
> puts your problem into the hands of some very strange people.
> One consequence of this is that you may find yourself the target
> of some unedifying comments. Indeed rather than get a solution
> you may well be subjected to ridicule and abuse. Any suggestion
> or solution offered here should be well considered and further
> advice
> taken before implementing the changes suggested. The person
> giving the advice may not be doing so out of malice. They may well
> just be stupid. Lets face it you could be taking advice from the
> usenet
> equivalent of the Village Idiot!!
>
> It might help if you grasped one very salient fact about this and
> other news groups, they are now inhabited mainly by nutters who due
> to care in the community (the failure of) have time on their hands
> voices in their heads and no where to go. Once you have fully
> grasped indeed understood this point you will post any queries
> you have in moderated www groups and avoid this one. There
> are of course other well meaning and well balanced posters but
> sadly they tend to be in the minority.
>
> Web groups tend to be moderated by a group of well balanced, well
> informed and well meaning regulars. Adobe software, graphics and
> photography www groups are well regulated and contain archived
> material well worth visiting. The advice offered is generally done
> so
> by knowledgable individuals motivated by good intentions. There
> may well be the odd nut but the moderators have a way of dealing
> with the problems which they create. However, you may stand a
> better chance in a moderated www discussion group.
>
> Regarding this newsgroup, my advice would be, be kind to but
> avoid the afflicted because they are so full of torture that the
> only
> way they can relate to others is to dish out pain. There is one
> other
> rather interesting observation. You will find that once a nut
> identifies
> a target some, not all, posters who in the past have behaved
> rationally
> and with great civility will join in the kicking with great panache.
> I often
> wonder about the pathology of this behaviour. Considered well
> thought
> out contributions on this phenomena would be very welcome.
>
> What you have above is my honestly held opinions. Whilst there
> are well meaning and well balanced individuals contributing to this
> newsgroup, very few I grant you, others may well not fall into this
> category.
>
> Thank you for your interest.
>
> I hope you find this information useful.
>
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Paul is correct. Take everything here for a grain of salt. If the answer
to your question is verified by several others then go with it. Just don't
jump with the first answer you get. The answer is just something to start
your hunt for the correct answer, at least it will start to push you into
the right direction.

Actually, this is one of the better Photography newsgroups. Several others
are run over by spammers and people who just want to start arguments.

For better answers for your photoshop/elements/premier questions just go to
Elementsvillage forums at: http://www.elementsvillage.com/forums/index.php
anybody who gets out of hand gets booted. Its a moderated group.

Not4wood

"Paul" <noname.TakeThisOut@noaddy.co.uk> wrote in message
news:6ikam3hdav2t8ddoluctmkm11vj8kdnln6@4ax.com...
> In my honest opinion and I don't think I am in error here
> posting to this newsgroup could be the one action which
> puts your problem into the hands of some very strange people.
> One consequence of this is that you may find yourself the target
> of some unedifying comments. Indeed rather than get a solution
> you may well be subjected to ridicule and abuse. Any suggestion
> or solution offered here should be well considered and further advice
> taken before implementing the changes suggested. The person
> giving the advice may not be doing so out of malice. They may well
> just be stupid. Lets face it you could be taking advice from the usenet
> equivalent of the Village Idiot!!
>
> It might help if you grasped one very salient fact about this and
> other news groups, they are now inhabited mainly by nutters who due
> to care in the community (the failure of) have time on their hands
> voices in their heads and no where to go. Once you have fully
> grasped indeed understood this point you will post any queries
> you have in moderated www groups and avoid this one. There
> are of course other well meaning and well balanced posters but
> sadly they tend to be in the minority.
>
> Web groups tend to be moderated by a group of well balanced, well
> informed and well meaning regulars. Adobe software, graphics and
> photography www groups are well regulated and contain archived
> material well worth visiting. The advice offered is generally done so
> by knowledgable individuals motivated by good intentions. There
> may well be the odd nut but the moderators have a way of dealing
> with the problems which they create. However, you may stand a
> better chance in a moderated www discussion group.
>
> Regarding this newsgroup, my advice would be, be kind to but
> avoid the afflicted because they are so full of torture that the only
> way they can relate to others is to dish out pain. There is one other
> rather interesting observation. You will find that once a nut identifies
> a target some, not all, posters who in the past have behaved rationally
> and with great civility will join in the kicking with great panache. I
> often
> wonder about the pathology of this behaviour. Considered well thought
> out contributions on this phenomena would be very welcome.
>
> What you have above is my honestly held opinions. Whilst there
> are well meaning and well balanced individuals contributing to this
> newsgroup, very few I grant you, others may well not fall into this
> category.
>
> Thank you for your interest.
>
> I hope you find this information useful.
>
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Speaking of blocking, the MI5 cross posting idiot has been posting again. I
finally got around to putting him in my Killfile.

Not4wood



"Frank Arthur" <Art RemoveThis @Arthurian.com> wrote in message
news:lvh9j.23633$N67.3502@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> "Paul" please be aware that many programs provide for a method of blocking
> incoming senders.
> If or when you received nasties block as many as you can find. Then you
> will discover that the rest, the majority of this newsgroup contains many
> devoted and helpful people. Post anything you need to post here.
>
> "Paul" <noname RemoveThis @noaddy.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:6ikam3hdav2t8ddoluctmkm11vj8kdnln6@4ax.com...
>> In my honest opinion and I don't think I am in error here
>> posting to this newsgroup could be the one action which
>> puts your problem into the hands of some very strange people.
>> One consequence of this is that you may find yourself the target
>> of some unedifying comments. Indeed rather than get a solution
>> you may well be subjected to ridicule and abuse. Any suggestion
>> or solution offered here should be well considered and further advice
>> taken before implementing the changes suggested. The person
>> giving the advice may not be doing so out of malice. They may well
>> just be stupid. Lets face it you could be taking advice from the usenet
>> equivalent of the Village Idiot!!
>>
>> It might help if you grasped one very salient fact about this and
>> other news groups, they are now inhabited mainly by nutters who due
>> to care in the community (the failure of) have time on their hands
>> voices in their heads and no where to go. Once you have fully
>> grasped indeed understood this point you will post any queries
>> you have in moderated www groups and avoid this one. There
>> are of course other well meaning and well balanced posters but
>> sadly they tend to be in the minority.
>>
>> Web groups tend to be moderated by a group of well balanced, well
>> informed and well meaning regulars. Adobe software, graphics and
>> photography www groups are well regulated and contain archived
>> material well worth visiting. The advice offered is generally done so
>> by knowledgable individuals motivated by good intentions. There
>> may well be the odd nut but the moderators have a way of dealing
>> with the problems which they create. However, you may stand a
>> better chance in a moderated www discussion group.
>>
>> Regarding this newsgroup, my advice would be, be kind to but
>> avoid the afflicted because they are so full of torture that the only
>> way they can relate to others is to dish out pain. There is one other
>> rather interesting observation. You will find that once a nut identifies
>> a target some, not all, posters who in the past have behaved rationally
>> and with great civility will join in the kicking with great panache. I
>> often
>> wonder about the pathology of this behaviour. Considered well thought
>> out contributions on this phenomena would be very welcome.
>>
>> What you have above is my honestly held opinions. Whilst there
>> are well meaning and well balanced individuals contributing to this
>> newsgroup, very few I grant you, others may well not fall into this
>> category.
>>
>> Thank you for your interest.
>>
>> I hope you find this information useful.
>>
>
>
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HERE'S A TIMELY REMINDER MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE OP'S WHINE
THIS GROUP DOES NOT USE TOP POSTING
PUT YOUR REPLY AT THE END OF THE QUESTION NOT ABOVE IT
SO PEOPLE CAN READ IT IN ORDER

IF IT'S TOO LONG
USE SNIP


"Paul" <noname.DeleteThis@noaddy.co.uk> wrote in message
news:6ikam3hdav2t8ddoluctmkm11vj8kdnln6@4ax.com...
> In my honest opinion and I don't think I am in error here
> posting to this newsgroup could be the one action which
> puts your problem into the hands of some very strange people.
> One consequence of this is that you may find yourself the target
> of some unedifying comments. Indeed rather than get a solution
> you may well be subjected to ridicule and abuse. Any suggestion
> or solution offered here should be well considered and further advice
> taken before implementing the changes suggested. The person
> giving the advice may not be doing so out of malice. They may well
> just be stupid. Lets face it you could be taking advice from the usenet
> equivalent of the Village Idiot!!
>
> It might help if you grasped one very salient fact about this and
> other news groups, they are now inhabited mainly by nutters who due
> to care in the community (the failure of) have time on their hands
> voices in their heads and no where to go. Once you have fully
> grasped indeed understood this point you will post any queries
> you have in moderated www groups and avoid this one. There
> are of course other well meaning and well balanced posters but
> sadly they tend to be in the minority.
>
> Web groups tend to be moderated by a group of well balanced, well
> informed and well meaning regulars. Adobe software, graphics and
> photography www groups are well regulated and contain archived
> material well worth visiting. The advice offered is generally done so
> by knowledgable individuals motivated by good intentions. There
> may well be the odd nut but the moderators have a way of dealing
> with the problems which they create. However, you may stand a
> better chance in a moderated www discussion group.
>
> Regarding this newsgroup, my advice would be, be kind to but
> avoid the afflicted because they are so full of torture that the only
> way they can relate to others is to dish out pain. There is one other
> rather interesting observation. You will find that once a nut identifies
> a target some, not all, posters who in the past have behaved rationally
> and with great civility will join in the kicking with great panache. I
> often
> wonder about the pathology of this behaviour. Considered well thought
> out contributions on this phenomena would be very welcome.
>
> What you have above is my honestly held opinions. Whilst there
> are well meaning and well balanced individuals contributing to this
> newsgroup, very few I grant you, others may well not fall into this
> category.
>
> Thank you for your interest.
>
> I hope you find this information useful.
>
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Hi Paul,

on the topic of being articulate - why do people insist on using the
expression IMHO (in my HONEST opinion)? An opinion is an opinion; if you
believe something which happens to be incorrect, that does not make it a
dishonest opinion, it just makes your opinion wrong. By using the word
honest you are almost implying that other people give opinions that they
don't really believe.

Before you say it, no, I am not one of the nutters in this group. I am just
curious why the expression is so widely used and part of it is superfluous.

Best regards,
Brian.

"Paul" <noname.DeleteThis@noaddy.co.uk> wrote in message
news:6ikam3hdav2t8ddoluctmkm11vj8kdnln6@4ax.com...
> In my honest opinion and I don't think I am in error here
> posting to this newsgroup could be the one action which
> puts your problem into the hands of some very strange people.
> One consequence of this is that you may find yourself the target
> of some unedifying comments. Indeed rather than get a solution
> you may well be subjected to ridicule and abuse. Any suggestion
> or solution offered here should be well considered and further advice
> taken before implementing the changes suggested. The person
> giving the advice may not be doing so out of malice. They may well
> just be stupid. Lets face it you could be taking advice from the usenet
> equivalent of the Village Idiot!!
>
> It might help if you grasped one very salient fact about this and
> other news groups, they are now inhabited mainly by nutters who due
> to care in the community (the failure of) have time on their hands
> voices in their heads and no where to go. Once you have fully
> grasped indeed understood this point you will post any queries
> you have in moderated www groups and avoid this one. There
> are of course other well meaning and well balanced posters but
> sadly they tend to be in the minority.
>
> Web groups tend to be moderated by a group of well balanced, well
> informed and well meaning regulars. Adobe software, graphics and
> photography www groups are well regulated and contain archived
> material well worth visiting. The advice offered is generally done so
> by knowledgable individuals motivated by good intentions. There
> may well be the odd nut but the moderators have a way of dealing
> with the problems which they create. However, you may stand a
> better chance in a moderated www discussion group.
>
> Regarding this newsgroup, my advice would be, be kind to but
> avoid the afflicted because they are so full of torture that the only
> way they can relate to others is to dish out pain. There is one other
> rather interesting observation. You will find that once a nut identifies
> a target some, not all, posters who in the past have behaved rationally
> and with great civility will join in the kicking with great panache. I
> often
> wonder about the pathology of this behaviour. Considered well thought
> out contributions on this phenomena would be very welcome.
>
> What you have above is my honestly held opinions. Whilst there
> are well meaning and well balanced individuals contributing to this
> newsgroup, very few I grant you, others may well not fall into this
> category.
>
> Thank you for your interest.
>
> I hope you find this information useful.
>
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On 2007-12-16 19:19:33 -0800, "Brian" <cooloox.RemoveThis@somewhere.com> said:

> Hi Paul,
>
> on the topic of being articulate - why do people insist on using the
> expression IMHO (in my HONEST opinion)?

I always thought it stood for In My Humble Opinion...

> --
Bream Rockmetteller
Donaldson's Dog Joy
509-450-0301
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"Bream Rockmetteller" <bream(dot)rockmetteller(at)mac(dot)com> wrote in
message
news:2007121620005116807-breamdotrockmettelleratmacdotcom@news.panic.com...
> On 2007-12-16 19:19:33 -0800, "Brian" <cooloox DeleteThis @somewhere.com> said:
>
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> on the topic of being articulate - why do people insist on using the
>> expression IMHO (in my HONEST opinion)?
>
> I always thought it stood for In My Humble Opinion...
>
>> --
> Bream Rockmetteller
> Donaldson's Dog Joy
> 509-450-0301
>

Hi

I'm sure that is what is meant, it is a quote from Charles Dickens.

I think it was the character Mr Macawber in Pickwick Papers who was always
being very humble.

Roy G
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Aah, that could be right actually; thanks for pointing that out, Bream.

Best regards,
Brian.

"Bream Rockmetteller" <bream(dot)rockmetteller(at)mac(dot)com> wrote in
message
news:2007121620005116807-breamdotrockmettelleratmacdotcom@news.panic.com...
> On 2007-12-16 19:19:33 -0800, "Brian" <cooloox.TakeThisOut@somewhere.com> said:
>
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> on the topic of being articulate - why do people insist on using the
>> expression IMHO (in my HONEST opinion)?
>
> I always thought it stood for In My Humble Opinion...
>
>> --
> Bream Rockmetteller
> Donaldson's Dog Joy
> 509-450-0301
>
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"Roy G" <roy.gibson1 DeleteThis @virgin.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Bream Rockmetteller" <bream(dot)rockmetteller(at)mac(dot)com> wrote in
> message
> news:2007121620005116807-breamdotrockmettelleratmacdotcom@news.panic.com...
>> On 2007-12-16 19:19:33 -0800, "Brian" <cooloox DeleteThis @somewhere.com> said:
>>
>>> Hi Paul,
>>>
>>> on the topic of being articulate - why do people insist on using the
>>> expression IMHO (in my HONEST opinion)?
>>
>> I always thought it stood for In My Humble Opinion...
>>
>>> --
>> Bream Rockmetteller
>> Donaldson's Dog Joy
>> 509-450-0301
>>
>
> Hi
>
> I'm sure that is what is meant, it is a quote from Charles Dickens.
>
> I think it was the character Mr Macawber in Pickwick Papers who was always
> being very humble.
>
> Roy G


Are you from the UK, Roy? You seem to know your history
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