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stevendelapp

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:33 pm
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Am new to digital photography. My 1st major investment will be a
digital camera with RAW capability. To date have tested a few but am
still undecided.

Also am a "total newbie" concerning PhotoShop but would like to start
using Camera RAW from the beginning.

Have checked Adobe's PhotoShop website and tried to compare Elements
5 with CS3 and CS3 Extended but this is really difficult for a newbie
to do. Would like to save some money starting out which is why am
checking Elements.

Am wondering if it is worthwhile to even learn Elements 5 or the std
CS3 if I ultimately want to use CS3 Extended?

Reviewing the comparison features am guessing that 32-bit HDR support
may be important but it is difficult for me to tell the difference
between basic and enhanced support forPhotoshop CS3 Photoshop CS3
Extended. http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/compare/

Am interested in any comments and suggestions.

Thanks

Steve

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:19 pm
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<stevendelapp.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1184096020.853001.55400@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> Am new to digital photography. My 1st major investment will be a
> digital camera with RAW capability. To date have tested a few but am
> still undecided.
>
> Also am a "total newbie" concerning PhotoShop but would like to start
> using Camera RAW from the beginning.
>
> Have checked Adobe's PhotoShop website and tried to compare Elements
> 5 with CS3 and CS3 Extended but this is really difficult for a newbie
> to do. Would like to save some money starting out which is why am
> checking Elements.
>
> Am wondering if it is worthwhile to even learn Elements 5 or the std
> CS3 if I ultimately want to use CS3 Extended?
>
> Reviewing the comparison features am guessing that 32-bit HDR support
> may be important but it is difficult for me to tell the difference
> between basic and enhanced support forPhotoshop CS3 Photoshop CS3
> Extended. http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/compare/
>
> Am interested in any comments and suggestions.
>
> Thanks
>
> Steve

IF you have not used a digital camera I suggest installing the come-with
software first, or better the latest version from the website, and see if
you want need more??
canon Nikon etc gives you all you need to START
then if you want to manipulate your images with more tools you may want PS
you can dl a demo FREE before purchasing anything
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Skinner1

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:03 pm
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:33:40 -0700, stevendelapp.DeleteThis@yahoo.com wrote:

>Am new to digital photography. My 1st major investment will be a
>digital camera with RAW capability. To date have tested a few but am
>still undecided.
>
>Also am a "total newbie" concerning PhotoShop but would like to start
>using Camera RAW from the beginning.
>
>Have checked Adobe's PhotoShop website and tried to compare Elements
>5 with CS3 and CS3 Extended but this is really difficult for a newbie
>to do. Would like to save some money starting out which is why am
>checking Elements.
>
>Am wondering if it is worthwhile to even learn Elements 5 or the std
>CS3 if I ultimately want to use CS3 Extended?
>
>Reviewing the comparison features am guessing that 32-bit HDR support
>may be important but it is difficult for me to tell the difference
>between basic and enhanced support forPhotoshop CS3 Photoshop CS3
>Extended. http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/compare/
>
>Am interested in any comments and suggestions.
>
>Thanks
>
>Steve

I am far from an expert here. I know enough to do what I do and I try
to learn new stuff as often as I can. And believe me..... there are
few people that know "Everything" about both Digital Photography AND
Photoshop!

I am going to go out on a limb here and ask you if you have any
photography background, training or experience at all? That's not
meant to be sarcastic... Just trying to get an idea where you stand
skills wise.

If you are both new to photography AND to Digital photography then you
might wqant to start out a little less expensive and get a camera that
gives you the ability to manipulate your variables in taking a picture
till you get the hang of it and decide if it really is what you love
or if it seems more like work to you. Big difference that!

Also, if you have no darkroom experience you will be learning a LOT of
new concepts. I found knowing darkroom technics to be emmensly
valuable to learning, using and understanding what little I know about
photoshop. And for the record, I have used it to make color
seperations (Spot and 4 color AND Indexed color) AND I have used it
for photo editing... so I do speak from a small amount of experience
here. The program can be daunting at first. It does not afford a LOT
of immediate successes and does require some measure of dedication of
use to learn AND become comfortable with.

If you are a raw newbit to everything photographic I would suggest
perhaps finding a local class to attend or perhaps a club to get into.
Those will be valuable resources.

With all this said, my best recommendation would be to start out a
little slow at first before you go out and buy a lot of confusing
capability that does hold the chance for enough diwscouragement to
defeat you unless you are exceptionally motivated!
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Dave

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:54 pm
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:33:40 -0700, stevendelapp.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com wrote:

>Am new to digital photography. My 1st major investment will be a
>digital camera with RAW capability. To date have tested a few but am
>still undecided.
>
>Also am a "total newbie" concerning PhotoShop but would like to start
>using Camera RAW from the beginning.
>
>Have checked Adobe's PhotoShop website and tried to compare Elements
>5 with CS3 and CS3 Extended but this is really difficult for a newbie
>to do. Would like to save some money starting out which is why am
>checking Elements.
>
>Am wondering if it is worthwhile to even learn Elements 5 or the std
>CS3 if I ultimately want to use CS3 Extended?
>
>Reviewing the comparison features am guessing that 32-bit HDR support
>may be important but it is difficult for me to tell the difference
>between basic and enhanced support forPhotoshop CS3 Photoshop CS3
>Extended. http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/compare/
>
>Am interested in any comments and suggestions.
>
>Thanks
>
>Steve


What is your question?

Dave
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Malcolm Smith

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:33 am
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Steve
Photoshop elements is a lot cheaper than photoshop and photoshop extended.
Also what you learn with "elements" would translate fairly easily to the
full photoshop (extended) at a later stage - so for a newbie I would go for
elements to find your feet.

However if you are very serious about photography (possibly a pro or semi
pro moving from film/darkroom etc) and can afford the extra cost of
photoshop then photoshop ultimately does more than elements and gives you
more control. I am a professional photographer doing fine art work and love
photoshop CS3. My daughter has elements on her own computer and it does
everything she needs at this stage.

Photoshop extended is a specialised product with extensions for those in the
motion picture and scientific areas and not really applicable to still
photographic uses.

Malcolm
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Roy G

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:00 pm
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<stevendelapp.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1184096020.853001.55400@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> Am new to digital photography. My 1st major investment will be a
> digital camera with RAW capability. To date have tested a few but am
> still undecided.
>
> Also am a "total newbie" concerning PhotoShop but would like to start
> using Camera RAW from the beginning.
>
> Have checked Adobe's PhotoShop website and tried to compare Elements
> 5 with CS3 and CS3 Extended but this is really difficult for a newbie
> to do. Would like to save some money starting out which is why am
> checking Elements.
>
> Am wondering if it is worthwhile to even learn Elements 5 or the std
> CS3 if I ultimately want to use CS3 Extended?
>
> Reviewing the comparison features am guessing that 32-bit HDR support
> may be important but it is difficult for me to tell the difference
> between basic and enhanced support forPhotoshop CS3 Photoshop CS3
> Extended. http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/compare/
>
> Am interested in any comments and suggestions.
>
> Thanks
>
> Steve
>

Hi.

For someone new to digital photography, and about to buy a Camera, Photoshop
CS3 will :-

(a) Probably cost more than the Camera.

(b) Be a bit too confusing for a complete learner, and if you end up not
enjoying digital processing will have been a waste of money.

I would agree with Kat Woman, that meantime you should just stick with
whatever Editing Program comes for Free with the Camera. Some of those can
be fairly well specified.

Once that begins to be insufficient for your needs, (as a budding expert),
then you will be able to judge if you need all the bells and whistles of big
Photoshop, or if Photoshop Elements would do.

Roy G
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Talker

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:19 pm
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:33:40 -0700, stevendelapp DeleteThis @yahoo.com wrote:

>Am new to digital photography. My 1st major investment will be a
>digital camera with RAW capability. To date have tested a few but am
>still undecided.
>
>Also am a "total newbie" concerning PhotoShop but would like to start
>using Camera RAW from the beginning.
>
>Have checked Adobe's PhotoShop website and tried to compare Elements
>5 with CS3 and CS3 Extended but this is really difficult for a newbie
>to do. Would like to save some money starting out which is why am
>checking Elements.
>
>Am wondering if it is worthwhile to even learn Elements 5 or the std
>CS3 if I ultimately want to use CS3 Extended?
>
>Reviewing the comparison features am guessing that 32-bit HDR support
>may be important but it is difficult for me to tell the difference
>between basic and enhanced support forPhotoshop CS3 Photoshop CS3
>Extended. http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/compare/
>
>Am interested in any comments and suggestions.
>
>Thanks
>
>Steve

Hi Steve! Well you ask some good questions, but there is no one
good answer. The other answers I see posted are excellent, so I'll
just add one more opinion to them.
First is the camera.....if you are serious about photography, but
don't have the thousands to spend on a top rated digital SLR, then go
for something like a Canon Digital Rebel. They are under a thousand
dollars, and will let you get a good idea of how they work, plus give
you excellent pictures. You could go for the top models at $5000, but
by the time you learn all of the functions of it, it will be outdated,
and newer models will be out. Plus, the model you spent $5000 for
will probably have dropped to $3000.
As for Photoshop versus Elements, well, that's a tough one
because I've used both and seen what they can do. I took a class at
work that was supposed to be PhotoShop, but turned out to be Elements,
and during the class, I found that there were many things I couldn't
do in Elements that I could do in Photoshop. The thing is, I was
already familiar with Photoshop, and I used it extensively to restore
pictures. Trying to use Elements was like going backwards to me, but
if you've never used either one, then Elements would seem to be what
you need, since you wouldn't know it's limitations.
One thing I've told others over the years about
PhotoShop.....don't be intimidated by it. When you first install it
you will have all sorts of palettes displayed and they can look
daunting. The thing is, just use what you need with Photoshop. You
don't have to know how to use layers, histograms, etc. when you first
start out with it. If you just want to crop a picture and sharpen it,
then you just learn how to do that.
Once you feel comfortable with a few tools or filters, then you
can begin to explore other tools and filters. It can be a long, slow
process of learning, or, if you're really into it, it can be a fast
learning process. It's all up to you and your abilities.
That's how I learned PhotoShop....the slow process. When I first
installed PS (that was back with version 3), I was completely
overwhelmed by it, so I didn't use it. After hanging in the groups
and seeing what others were doing, I decided to try it again, using
the advice of others who said to only use what I needed.(sharpening,
cropping, etc.) After using it for a short period of time, I realized
that it wasn't this complicated, hard to use program. It was as easy
as I wanted it to be, or as complicated as I wanted it to be,
depending on how deep I wanted to get into it's functions.
What happens is that when you get familiar with the basic tools,
you will find that you want to explore some of the other tools. If
you're like me, you'll end up getting stuck trying to do something,
and you'll end up asking for help. When someone gives you help and
explains how to do it, you will find their explanation opens up a
whole new level of PS that you weren't aware of. This is what I enjoy
about PS....finding new things that I wasn't aware of.
So if you think that you'll eventually want to have the most
control over pictures, then Photoshop is the way to go.
Anyway, this is turning into a novel....sorry about that.
Whatever you decide on, good luck!

Talker
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:48 pm
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:20 pm
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Talker has good advice and see my earlier post. The suggestion you start
using the camera supplied software is not a good one. If you are serious
you should start straight away with Photoshop or elements.

one point I want to add is several versions ago of Photoshop I saw a book
called something like "how to learn Photoshop in 24 hours' and it was a
surprisingly useful book. It broke Photoshop down into 12 areas and gave a
two hour tutorial on each - when you had finished the 12 sessions you had an
overview and introduction to most of Photoshop. this would enable you to
read with confidence a more advanced book like Martin Evenings book
"Photoshop for photographers' which is a very good book.

All the best
Malcolm
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