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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:31 pm
Post subject: Converting Raw to jpg with good gamma retained
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I'm a pro shooter that has just always shot in jpg. Due to workflow and
memory, etc. I have done the test between raw and jpg. and YES there is an
amazing difference in the amount of color values. I am using a wireless
transfer attached to my canon and the file travels through a PS droplet as
it goes into the computer (after transfering) I currently have the droplet
set to Open/save/close. This has been to commit the auto-rotate of the
vertical files.
I've been wanting to shoot raw, but I would like to set up a droplet that
simply converts the file (in a default kind of way) to jpg. and saves that
instead of the raw file. Well, perhaps the raw file is retained
automaticlly, but I want to just get rid of the raw after the session is
over.
1) will the jpg retain most of the expanded color range of the raw?
2) when printed on photographic paper, will we even see the expanded color
range used in this method?
3) Has anyone ever created a droplet that does this simple conversion?
In other words, I still want to shoot precisely. I just want the added
benifit of the expanded gamma and that is it. I'm not interested in
tweeking the daylights out of each image. Just a genereal setting that
says, OK here is a better color space just save it as a jpg and retain as
much of that space as possible.
Thanks to anyone who may know about this and advise.
John |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:54 am
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As a fellowapher- My workflow is
1- Shoot Raw
2- Keep the raw file
3- Convert to Tiff Using Canon Software
4 Tweak in Photoshop or Lightroom
Save the Tiff
Convert to jpeg at quality 12
This give me a jpeg of bette quality than originated by the camera
And I never give out a jpeg or Tiff- I just make a pdf from lightroom
and send a contact sheet along
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:31:40 -0500, jwm2 <jwmphotog DeleteThis @comcast.net>
wrote:
>I'm a pro shooter that has just always shot in jpg. Due to workflow and
>memory, etc. I have done the test between raw and jpg. and YES there is an
>amazing difference in the amount of color values. I am using a wireless
>transfer attached to my canon and the file travels through a PS droplet as
>it goes into the computer (after transfering) I currently have the droplet
>set to Open/save/close. This has been to commit the auto-rotate of the
>vertical files.
>I've been wanting to shoot raw, but I would like to set up a droplet that
>simply converts the file (in a default kind of way) to jpg. and saves that
>instead of the raw file. Well, perhaps the raw file is retained
>automaticlly, but I want to just get rid of the raw after the session is
>over.
>
>1) will the jpg retain most of the expanded color range of the raw?
>
>2) when printed on photographic paper, will we even see the expanded color
>range used in this method?
>
>3) Has anyone ever created a droplet that does this simple conversion?
> In other words, I still want to shoot precisely. I just want the added
>benifit of the expanded gamma and that is it. I'm not interested in
>tweeking the daylights out of each image. Just a genereal setting that
>says, OK here is a better color space just save it as a jpg and retain as
>much of that space as possible.
>
>Thanks to anyone who may know about this and advise.
>John |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:13 am
Post subject: Re: Converting Raw to jpg with good gamma retained [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:31:40 -0500, jwm2 <jwmphotog RemoveThis @comcast.net>
Right, I understand your point on that. That is a given. I shoot high
school seniors, one right after another. I'm looking for a quick,
automatic, seamless version of RAW to jpg conversion. I understand that
certain photographers have assignments that allow them the luxury of
sitting down and tweaking for a period of time each file or selected
files. I don't have that luxury. When my schedule is booked tight there
is no breathing room. Really, even to take a card out and download. That
is why I have the WTF in the first place. Fortunatly, it has the ability
to drive the file through a droplet on the way into the server. That
droplet can be anything we want. I've been doing it this way for a few
years now. But just now wishing that perhaps I could run a droplet that
incorporates a raw conversion.
Jim Mitchell <jrphoto RemoveThis @sasktel.net> wrote in
news:tiug845jnu93smc6apd7f9fa9evjppc06h@4ax.com:
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> As a fellowapher- My workflow is
> 1- Shoot Raw
> 2- Keep the raw file
> 3- Convert to Tiff Using Canon Software
> 4 Tweak in Photoshop or Lightroom
> Save the Tiff
> Convert to jpeg at quality 12
>
> This give me a jpeg of bette quality than originated by the camera
>
> And I never give out a jpeg or Tiff- I just make a pdf from lightroom
> and send a contact sheet along
>
>
> >> Stay informed about: Converting Raw to jpg with good gamma retained |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:33 pm
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I will update to Photoshop CS4 when it becomes available. Right now I do
have Photoshop CS. Do I have to buy version CS2 and CS3 First ?.
Kurt Knoll
"jwm2" <jwmphotog RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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> I'm a pro shooter that has just always shot in jpg. Due to workflow and
> memory, etc. I have done the test between raw and jpg. and YES there is an
> amazing difference in the amount of color values. I am using a wireless
> transfer attached to my canon and the file travels through a PS droplet as
> it goes into the computer (after transfering) I currently have the droplet
> set to Open/save/close. This has been to commit the auto-rotate of the
> vertical files.
> I've been wanting to shoot raw, but I would like to set up a droplet that
> simply converts the file (in a default kind of way) to jpg. and saves that
> instead of the raw file. Well, perhaps the raw file is retained
> automaticlly, but I want to just get rid of the raw after the session is
> over.
>
> 1) will the jpg retain most of the expanded color range of the raw?
>
> 2) when printed on photographic paper, will we even see the expanded color
> range used in this method?
>
> 3) Has anyone ever created a droplet that does this simple conversion?
> In other words, I still want to shoot precisely. I just want the added
> benifit of the expanded gamma and that is it. I'm not interested in
> tweeking the daylights out of each image. Just a genereal setting that
> says, OK here is a better color space just save it as a jpg and retain as
> much of that space as possible.
>
> Thanks to anyone who may know about this and advise.
> John >> Stay informed about: Converting Raw to jpg with good gamma retained |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:25 pm
Post subject: Re: Converting Raw to jpg with good gamma retained [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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If you have a jpeg workflow that works for you with in-camera jpeg
generation then you might want to stick with that routine.
If your camera will allow you to save both a jpeg and a raw then, if you
have the time or inclination, you can later work the raw data into whatever
form you want.
As you are aware there is no comparison between what an in-camera jpeg
generates compared to even moderate manual processing of raw images.
If you are shooting under studio conditions where exposure is controlled
then using bridge or lightroom you can do batch processing of your raw
images, applying the same tweaks to any number of images simultaneously.
This should achieve results that are superior to any in-camera jpeg
processing.
You can not use the droplet process but it is possible to set up an action
that will accomplish the same thing in Photoshop. There are actually many
free sources for these action presets that will load into the Adobe raw
converter. >> Stay informed about: Converting Raw to jpg with good gamma retained |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:34 pm
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jwm2 <jwmphotog.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:
> I'm a pro shooter that has just always shot in jpg. Due to workflow and
> memory, etc. I have done the test between raw and jpg. and YES there is an
> amazing difference in the amount of color values. I am using a wireless
> transfer attached to my canon and the file travels through a PS droplet as
> it goes into the computer (after transfering) I currently have the droplet
> set to Open/save/close. This has been to commit the auto-rotate of the
> vertical files.
> I've been wanting to shoot raw, but I would like to set up a droplet that
> simply converts the file (in a default kind of way) to jpg. and saves that
> instead of the raw file. Well, perhaps the raw file is retained
> automaticlly, but I want to just get rid of the raw after the session is
> over.
>
> 1) will the jpg retain most of the expanded color range of the raw?
>
> 2) when printed on photographic paper, will we even see the expanded color
> range used in this method?
>
> 3) Has anyone ever created a droplet that does this simple conversion?
> In other words, I still want to shoot precisely. I just want the added
> benifit of the expanded gamma and that is it. I'm not interested in
> tweeking the daylights out of each image. Just a genereal setting that
> says, OK here is a better color space just save it as a jpg and retain as
> much of that space as possible.
>
> Thanks to anyone who may know about this and advise.
A fully automatic conversion of RAW to JPEG is just what your camera is
doing if you shoot in JPEG, so the answer is no to questions 1 and 2.
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Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl
Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com >> Stay informed about: Converting Raw to jpg with good gamma retained |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:44 pm
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"saycheez" <fac_187.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> If you have a jpeg workflow that works for you with in-camera jpeg
> generation then you might want to stick with that routine.
> If your camera will allow you to save both a jpeg and a raw then, if you
> have the time or inclination, you can later work the raw data into
> whatever form you want.
> As you are aware there is no comparison between what an in-camera jpeg
> generates compared to even moderate manual processing of raw images.
> If you are shooting under studio conditions where exposure is controlled
> then using bridge or lightroom you can do batch processing of your raw
> images, applying the same tweaks to any number of images simultaneously.
> This should achieve results that are superior to any in-camera jpeg
> processing.
> You can not use the droplet process but it is possible to set up an action
> that will accomplish the same thing in Photoshop. There are actually many
> free sources for these action presets that will load into the Adobe raw
> converter.
well you can work the jpg in ACR too
so
has anyone here tried to work a JPG and a RAW of the same image in the ACR
dialog??
is there really that much difference?? I understand liking the ACR controls
over opening and adjusting in PS and would expect difference there. >> Stay informed about: Converting Raw to jpg with good gamma retained |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:07 pm
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:08 pm
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:12 pm
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KatWoman <spamfree.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
> well you can work the jpg in ACR too so
> has anyone here tried to work a JPG and a RAW of the same image in the ACR
> dialog?? is there really that much difference??
Yes, there really is a lot of difference. RAW is 12 or 14 bits, JPEG is
only 8 bits. In case you think that 12 bits is 50% more than 8 bits,
think again. 8 bits is 256 shades of color, 12 bits is 4096 shades of
color. The best example of the difference is blown highlights. In RAW,
you can often recover blown highlights, in JPEG you cannot.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:46 pm
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jwm2 wrote:
> Jim Mitchell wrote
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>> As a fellowapher- My workflow is
>> 1- Shoot Raw
>> 2- Keep the raw file
>> 3- Convert to Tiff Using Canon Software
>> 4 Tweak in Photoshop or Lightroom
>> Save the Tiff
>> Convert to jpeg at quality 12
>>
>> This give me a jpeg of bette quality than originated by the camera
>>
>> And I never give out a jpeg or Tiff- I just make a pdf from lightroom
>> and send a contact sheet along
>
> Right, I understand your point on that. That is a given. I shoot high
> school seniors, one right after another. I'm looking for a quick,
> automatic, seamless version of RAW to jpg conversion. I understand that
> certain photographers have assignments that allow them the luxury of
> sitting down and tweaking for a period of time each file or selected
> files. I don't have that luxury. When my schedule is booked tight there
> is no breathing room. Really, even to take a card out and download. That
> is why I have the WTF in the first place. Fortunatly, it has the ability
> to drive the file through a droplet on the way into the server. That
> droplet can be anything we want. I've been doing it this way for a few
> years now. But just now wishing that perhaps I could run a droplet that
> incorporates a raw conversion.
What the [heck] is WTF? 
ah... must be Wireless Transfer ...something...
Your software may be able to throw a raw file at a droplet & work but
how're you going to apply raw adjustments? Setting the defaults would
work, I guess. I'm more familiar with actions than droplets but perhaps
this helps: http://edgehill.net/Misc/photography/raw-batch
Normally you apply custom adjustments to a set of raw files by selecting
& right-clicking, apply settings... then you can run batch actions on
them. Do you really need each jpeg to print immediately?
Another approach is to adjust the contrast, saturation & sharpening and
set a custom white balance in the camera... that'll transfer faster on
the wireless and is good enough since you are using the camera to do a
custom raw conversion. Raw is not significantly better than in-camera
unless you are making big adjustments after the fact.
--
Paul Furman
www.edgehill.net
www.baynatives.com
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:53 am
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jwm2 wrote:
> I'm a pro shooter that has just always shot in jpg. Due to workflow and
> memory, etc. I have done the test between raw and jpg. and YES there is an
> amazing difference in the amount of color values.
Is that observation based on a finer gradation of values showing in the
eyedropper? I'm not so sure it is noticeable to the human eye. The
advantage is if you are going to make significant adjustments. Perhaps
you are thinking of a different color space? AdobeRGB should be an
option for jpegs on the camera and can give a little better rendition of
intensely saturated scenes but some say it actually makes other colors
more drab. From raw you can convert to ProPhotoRGB which has an even
larger gamut but again, the main advantage here is avaoiding
posterization when making heavy tweaks.
> I am using a wireless
> transfer attached to my canon and the file travels through a PS droplet as
> it goes into the computer (after transfering) I currently have the droplet
> set to Open/save/close. This has been to commit the auto-rotate of the
> vertical files.
> I've been wanting to shoot raw, but I would like to set up a droplet that
> simply converts the file (in a default kind of way) to jpg. and saves that
> instead of the raw file. Well, perhaps the raw file is retained
> automaticlly, but I want to just get rid of the raw after the session is
> over.
>
> 1) will the jpg retain most of the expanded color range of the raw?
>
> 2) when printed on photographic paper, will we even see the expanded color
> range used in this method?
>
> 3) Has anyone ever created a droplet that does this simple conversion?
> In other words, I still want to shoot precisely. I just want the added
> benifit of the expanded gamma and that is it. I'm not interested in
> tweeking the daylights out of each image. Just a genereal setting that
> says, OK here is a better color space just save it as a jpg and retain as
> much of that space as possible.
>
> Thanks to anyone who may know about this and advise.
> John
--
Paul Furman
www.edgehill.net
www.baynatives.com
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 1:25 pm
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 1:26 pm
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 1:39 pm
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Joel wrote:
> jwm2 <jwmphotog.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:
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>> I'm a pro shooter that has just always shot in jpg. Due to
>> workflow and memory, etc. I have done the test between raw and
>> jpg. and YES there is an amazing difference in the amount of color
>> values. I am using a wireless transfer attached to my canon and
>> the file travels through a PS droplet as it goes into the computer
>> (after transfering) I currently have the droplet set to
>> Open/save/close. This has been to commit the auto-rotate of the
>> vertical files.
>> I've been wanting to shoot raw, but I would like to set up a
>> droplet that simply converts the file (in a default kind of way)
>> to jpg. and saves that instead of the raw file. Well, perhaps the
>> raw file is retained automaticlly, but I want to just get rid of
>> the raw after the session is over.
>>
>> 1) will the jpg retain most of the expanded color range of the raw?
>>
>> 2) when printed on photographic paper, will we even see the
>> expanded color range used in this method?
>>
>> 3) Has anyone ever created a droplet that does this simple
>> conversion? In other words, I still want to shoot precisely. I
>> just want the added benifit of the expanded gamma and that is it.
>> I'm not interested in tweeking the daylights out of each image.
>> Just a genereal setting that says, OK here is a better color space
>> just save it as a jpg and retain as much of that space as possible.
>>
>> Thanks to anyone who may know about this and advise.
>> John
>
> It seems like you get the wrong impression.
I think that you don't understand what he needs. He apparently works at a
necessarily fast pace resulting in a large amount of image files that are
wirelessly transmitted to a computer and processed there. I suppose he has
learned to keep the lighting and other shooting variables as constant as
possible so that once he has a good image it will remain that way for the
rest of the shoot. Previously the .jpg images were sent through a droplet
for automatic processing before storage and he is wondering if .raw images
could be processed the same way to allow him to take advantage of the
increased color range. He has said he doesn't have the time luxury of
individual image manipulation.
From what's been said here I'm guessing the .raw images can't be processed
that way and he'll either have to come up with a different work flow to use
..raw or stick to .jpg if he wants to keep up the processing pace he
apparently needs.
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