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(Msg. 16) Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:04 pm
Post subject: Re: Adobe giving up on PSD format? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"KatWoman" <JolieXPrincessXKatanaXXX RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in
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> "Barry Pearson" <news RemoveThis @childsupportanalysis.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>j wrote:
>>> "KatWoman" <JolieXPrincessXKatanaXXX RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote
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>>> > will that retain the info layer by layer?
>>>
>>> DNG supports layers and all kinds of extra data. It's similar to
>>> TIFF, in fact at first glance it looks like an extended TIFF
>>> standard.
>> [snip]
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>> DNG does NOT support layers! (Not on the current version). But it is
>> indeed based on TIFF, and it supports XMP metadata.
>>
>> DNG will be used by a new breed of photograph processors, such as
>> Lightroom, that use "metadata editing" rather than "pixel rendering".
>> In future, fewer photographers will think in terms of layers.
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>> --
>> Barry Pearson
>> http://www.Barry.Pearson.name/photography/
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> such as
> Lightroom,
> yeah something expensive that you have to buy from Adobe
> what a coincidence
>
>
Hmmm a bit like the music industrie - They sold us 78's, they sold us
33's, they sold us 45's, they sold us EP's, they sold us 8 tracks, they
sold us cassettes, they sold us video, they sold us CD's and were
currently buying it all again in DVD!!!
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:55 pm
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In article <1154804525.853969.249390.RemoveThis@n13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, bhilton
665.RemoveThis@aol.com says...
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>>tedmSPAM-NOT@pobox.com wrote:
>> I read on some other post somewhere that Adobe will be giving up on
>> the PSD format, suggesting to use TIF, although PSD will be available
>> for some time it its programs.
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>> Any truth to this? Thanks.
>>
>> --
>> Ted
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>Sadly it's true, but they are offering a PSD to DNG converter so all
>your files can still be read in the future.
>
>Bill
Stop it! You guys are breaking my heart. Being the "old-fart" in these NG's, I
really like doing things the way I've done them for years, and many
generations of PS. OTOH, I once learned to love Layers, when they were
introduced - same for Adjustment Layers, etc. Maybe the new scheme will
improve things, but I'll have to wait for the shakedown cruise.
Anyway, this is a good reason to leave an older copy of PS on one's machine (
something that I always do, but for quick interface work with a tight
deadline). Guess I'd better see that I have a good set of DVD backups of CS2
so I can still pull up my old PSDs years from now.
Thanks for the insight, even if I consider this to be bad news, at least on
the surface NOW.
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:55 pm
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In article <060820061141147362%usenet@accend.com>, usenet RemoveThis @accend.com says...
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>In article <u7g9d2d6e24am66pqgpcq0i0utjf4r2p3k RemoveThis @4ax.com>,
><tedmSPAM-NOT RemoveThis @pobox.com> wrote:
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>> I read on some other post somewhere that Adobe will be giving up on
>> the PSD format, suggesting to use TIF, although PSD will be available
>> for some time it its programs.
>
>> Any truth to this? Thanks.
>
>Not sure where you saw this (references would be helpful so we could
>post a correction) but we (Adobe) have never stated any plans to drop
>the PSD file format.
>
>TIFF can store almost all the same information as can a PSD file,
>including layers, and can be a good alternative. That does not mean it
>will be replacing PSD.
>
>Marc Pawliger
>Sr. Engineering Direction
>Adobe Systems
Marc, thanks for the clarification. You just made one old guy's morning! Not
that I have a problem with a better file format, than PSD, it's just that some
of us have many years worth (in my case thousands) of PSDs. Clients also have
a way of making us ressurect a project that went to print in the 90's and we
thought was long gone.
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:10 pm
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"Hunt" <noone.DeleteThis@hunt.com> wrote in message
news:eb7ron230h@news3.newsguy.com...
> In article <060820061141147362%usenet@accend.com>, usenet.DeleteThis@accend.com
> says...
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>>In article <u7g9d2d6e24am66pqgpcq0i0utjf4r2p3k.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
>><tedmSPAM-NOT.DeleteThis@pobox.com> wrote:
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>>> I read on some other post somewhere that Adobe will be giving up on
>>> the PSD format, suggesting to use TIF, although PSD will be available
>>> for some time it its programs.
>>
>>> Any truth to this? Thanks.
>>
>>Not sure where you saw this (references would be helpful so we could
>>post a correction) but we (Adobe) have never stated any plans to drop
>>the PSD file format.
>>
>>TIFF can store almost all the same information as can a PSD file,
>>including layers, and can be a good alternative. That does not mean it
>>will be replacing PSD.
>>
>>Marc Pawliger
>>Sr. Engineering Direction
>>Adobe Systems
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> Marc, thanks for the clarification. You just made one old guy's morning!
> Not
> that I have a problem with a better file format, than PSD, it's just that
> some
> of us have many years worth (in my case thousands) of PSDs. Clients also
> have
> a way of making us ressurect a project that went to print in the 90's and
> we
> thought was long gone.
>
> Hunt
whew!!
me too
I even ranted about it!!
thanks for that info
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:26 am
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Hunt wrote:
> In article <060820061141147362%usenet@accend.com>, usenet DeleteThis @accend.com says...
> >
> >In article <u7g9d2d6e24am66pqgpcq0i0utjf4r2p3k DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
> ><tedmSPAM-NOT DeleteThis @pobox.com> wrote:
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> >> I read on some other post somewhere that Adobe will be giving up on
> >> the PSD format, suggesting to use TIF, although PSD will be available
> >> for some time it its programs.
> >
> >> Any truth to this? Thanks.
> >
> >Not sure where you saw this (references would be helpful so we could
> >post a correction) but we (Adobe) have never stated any plans to drop
> >the PSD file format.
> >
> >TIFF can store almost all the same information as can a PSD file,
> >including layers, and can be a good alternative. That does not mean it
> >will be replacing PSD.
> >
> >Marc Pawliger
> >Sr. Engineering Direction
> >Adobe Systems
>
> Marc, thanks for the clarification. You just made one old guy's morning! Not
> that I have a problem with a better file format, than PSD, it's just that some
> of us have many years worth (in my case thousands) of PSDs. Clients also have
> a way of making us ressurect a project that went to print in the 90's and we
> thought was long gone.
"Old guys" should have learned by now that along with data must be
preserved a version of software that can read it. Which means you also
have to have the operating system to run that version of the software.
Which means that you must have the hardware to run that version of the
operating system. And the personnel with the corresponding skills to
start, operate and troubleshoot and repair this legacy configuration.
And so on - all contrary to the "profit by waste" computer industry
methodology. Ask NASA about their Viking data tapes... or the backups
you made in the 80s. Can you read the media (DAT, Zip, Jaz, MO,
Jasmine, Syquest 44/88/200, etc, etc)? The data? Do you even remember
which program wrote the backups?
>
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:55 pm
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In article <1155050809.440161.207160.DeleteThis@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
toby.DeleteThis@telegraphics.com.au says...
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>Hunt wrote:
>> In article <060820061141147362%usenet@accend.com>, usenet.DeleteThis@accend.com says
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>> >In article <u7g9d2d6e24am66pqgpcq0i0utjf4r2p3k.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
>> ><tedmSPAM-NOT.DeleteThis@pobox.com> wrote:
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>> >> I read on some other post somewhere that Adobe will be giving up on
>> >> the PSD format, suggesting to use TIF, although PSD will be available
>> >> for some time it its programs.
>> >
>> >> Any truth to this? Thanks.
>> >
>> >Not sure where you saw this (references would be helpful so we could
>> >post a correction) but we (Adobe) have never stated any plans to drop
>> >the PSD file format.
>> >
>> >TIFF can store almost all the same information as can a PSD file,
>> >including layers, and can be a good alternative. That does not mean it
>> >will be replacing PSD.
>> >
>> >Marc Pawliger
>> >Sr. Engineering Direction
>> >Adobe Systems
>>
>> Marc, thanks for the clarification. You just made one old guy's morning!
Not
>> that I have a problem with a better file format, than PSD, it's just that
some
>> of us have many years worth (in my case thousands) of PSDs. Clients also
have
>> a way of making us ressurect a project that went to print in the 90's and
we
>> thought was long gone.
>
>"Old guys" should have learned by now that along with data must be
>preserved a version of software that can read it. Which means you also
>have to have the operating system to run that version of the software.
>Which means that you must have the hardware to run that version of the
>operating system. And the personnel with the corresponding skills to
>start, operate and troubleshoot and repair this legacy configuration.
>And so on - all contrary to the "profit by waste" computer industry
>methodology. Ask NASA about their Viking data tapes... or the backups
>you made in the 80s. Can you read the media (DAT, Zip, Jaz, MO,
>Jasmine, Syquest 44/88/200, etc, etc)? The data? Do you even remember
>which program wrote the backups?
I agree completely. That is why I have two old machines (and one new one with
an odd configuration: 512MB RAM and WinME) to read my old tapes, JAZ, Syquest
from 44 up through SyJet, and even a 5.25 floppy. Everyone wants me "donate"
this old gear, but I use one, or the other, about once/mo.
I've even kept PS v4, for one particular task for one client.
Yeah, my machine builder wences, when I walk in, but I have maintained a line
of legacy gear - now, if I could just remember what BU program I used for
those old QC-80 tapes?!?!? <G>
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:04 am
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John wrote:
> "toby" <toby.DeleteThis@telegraphics.com.au> wrote in message
> news:1155050809.440161.207160@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
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> > "Old guys" should have learned by now that along with data must be
> > preserved a version of software that can read it. Which means you also
> > have to have the operating system to run that version of the software.
> > Which means that you must have the hardware [...]
>
> That's a half-truth. I can read many, many formats using programs other
> than the one that created it. It's called data conversion. Been doing it for
> thirty years.
And it works much better with open/documented formats* rather than
proprietary ones like PSD. Even if you can get your hands on complete
and comprehensible documentation for it, I don't fancy rewriting
Photoshop's compositing engine, do you? (Don't forget text, vector,
adjustment, effect layers...)
>
> Now, squeezing that 8" floppy into the machine... that's a different story.
>  (But I can still read old PDP tapes from the Seventies!)
--T
(who also owns PDPs and has written a PSD raster extractor,
http://telegraphics.com.au/sw/#psdparse)
* This applies equally to the application software (and O/S), of
course. To quote Philip Greenspun, "If you don't have the source code,
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:44 am
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"toby" <toby DeleteThis @telegraphics.com.au> wrote in message
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> "Old guys" should have learned by now that along with data must be
> preserved a version of software that can read it. Which means you also
> have to have the operating system to run that version of the software.
> Which means that you must have the hardware [...]
That's a half-truth. I can read many, many formats using programs other
than the one that created it. It's called data conversion. Been doing it for
thirty years.
Now, squeezing that 8" floppy into the machine... that's a different story.
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:51 pm
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"toby" <toby.RemoveThis@telegraphics.com.au> wrote in message
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> [...] I don't fancy rewriting
> Photoshop's compositing engine, do you? (Don't forget text, vector,
> adjustment, effect layers...)
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 2:56 pm
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:27 am
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John wrote:
> "toby" <toby.DeleteThis@telegraphics.com.au> wrote in message
> news:1155225885.602624.246010@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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> > --T
> > (who also owns PDPs and has written a PSD raster extractor,
> > http://telegraphics.com.au/sw/#psdparse)
>
> Me Gosh! Well, I left DEC a long time ago. Had a VAX 11/730 in my home
> study. But I'm better now.
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:02 am
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